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of the transcription of an interview with Dr. Jonathon Reed by Art Bell on Nov 11, 1998.

AB: = Art Bell
RR: = Robert Raith
DR: = Doctor Jonathon Reed

AB: My guest is Dr Reed, Jonathan Reed. So you hit this creature. You struck this creature in the head. Then what? Did it go down right away?

DR: It fell to the ground instantly and as it fell, it SCREAMED ...just terrible scream like nothing I had ever heard before!

AB: Not that I've ever crushed a human skull, Doctor, but you wielded this stick or this branch, stick I guess, like a baseball bat, you said, and you hit this creature. Did its skull... Obviously, from the photograph of the injury, the skull was breached.

DR: Yes, it was.

AB: Did the skull breach more easily than a human skull would have under the same conditions, do you think? I don't know how hard you swung that thing.

DR: Well, I swung fairly hard. I'm surprised I hit it because I'm not an athlete, but it hit hard enough to tear a hole in the skin and in the bone material approximately an inch and a half by an inch, exposing some of the inner material.

AB: In the picture, it would appear there is blood. It would appear to be blood. It's red, some kind of red material. Is that what we're seeing in the photograph, blood?

DR: Yes!

AB: Blood! All right, so the creature screams this horrible scream and goes down and no more movement from it?

DR: No more movement at all.

AB: It's dead!

DR: As far as I knew, it was dead! At that moment, I was an emotional basket case!

AB: I can imagine you were! All right, what did you do next? All right, let's go to the third picture. We've got 2 pictures of the creature, then we've got a third photograph of what to me, appears to be an elongated, black, triangular ship, literally hovering in the middle of the forest. How far was this from the creature?

DR: That was probably 75 feet away from where the creature was.

AB: 75 feet.

DR: Through some brush and kind of down in a little valley on the other side.

AB: All right. The photography is difficult because we look at the plants in the foreground and it makes the ship look small, relatively small.

DR: Well, the dimensions of the ship were relatively small and I'm not necessarily saying it is a ship. I'm saying it is something.

AB: Ok, yeah, WE made that assumption, you're absolutely correct, that it was a ship. It is an object.

DR: It is an object which I ended up calling the obelisk, for lack of a better description. But it was a large, wedge shaped, black, triangle. It had six sides. It was flat pointed in the front and flat pointed in the back. It wasn't symmetrical. It was longer on one end than the other.

AB: That's clear.

DR: It was made of a material that felt like granite, or marble.

WS: Did you touch it?

DR: Yes, I did.

AB: Oh, my God! So you walked up, after the creature is dead, lying there on the ground.

DR: After about an hour.

AB: An hour?

DR: I heard something. I heard something that sounded like a hum.

WS: You remained in that location for an hour.

DR: I remained in that location for over 3 hours.

WS: What did you do during this time?

DR: I was so sick. I basically couldn't move.

WS: What were your symptoms?

DR: Well, I had definitely an emotional breakdown, as far as not knowing what had happened. At first, I thought I had killed a child. And I had to make sure that this wasn't a child.

AB: I understand.

DR: And after I had seen what had happened with Suzy, a dog that I'd had for years, I was very, very upset. I was very disturbed. I was sick to my stomach. I would try to stand and walk. I was dizzy. I would become nauseated. I barely could stand. I would sit back down. I would cry, trying to figure out what was happening.

AB: And I suppose you had, no doubt, some guilt about having killed. You killed a some kind of creature.

DR: Exactly! Well, at that point, I don't know that my mind was trying to logically assume that this was a creature. All I had known was that everything had fallen apart. And I felt totally disoriented.

AB: And so for now, you were just sick and in shock, and after an hour, you recovered enough to begin to notice your surroundings beyond this creature in front of you, and that's when you noticed, what you're calling the obelisk.

DR: I noticed a sound in the air that almost felt like it touched my skin. It almost gave me goosebumps. And I followed that sound because I thought it might be another person. I thought it might be someone who could help me. Because I needed help. At that point, I needed help. And I went toward that sound thinking it might be another camper or something in the area. And as I went farther and farther, I started to feel like there was something else there, another presence. And to describe that is very difficult. It's almost like static electricity, when you walk into a room when it's very, very cold outside, and the hair stands up on the back of your neck.

AB: Yes.

DR: That's what it felt like. And then I backed away. I was afraid. I didn't know what was going on. And I kind of ran down the path and again fell to the ground. I was sick. I got up, after some time and walked back. And from a different angle, I started to see through the bushes that there was something through the bushes, through the trees, about 50 feet from me. And I went forward and saw this thing. And the first pictures I took, I wasn't sure that they would come out because of the way that the air felt.

WS: What were the pictures, the first pictures that you took, what were they of?

DR: Of this obelisk, and I started to think, well, maybe I should back up. Maybe if I got further back, something would come out, if there was something going on with static electricity or something.

AB: Or radiation or whatever. So you went back from it and I have some of those other photographs, folks, by the way, so...

DR: Right! Now, the photograph that you have up on the web, Mr Bell, is one that I took probably 30 feet in front, to one side of the obelisk. And I was almost on the ground, because I was trying to get a clear, steady exposure. The tree canopy in that area was extremely dense.

AB: Yes, I can see that.

DR: And it was an overcast day.

AB: I can see that as well. For those who can't clearly see it, through, just barely through some of the trees, you can see the sky and it was clearly gray and overcast. No question.

DR: When I was taking the pictures, the exposure time was probably at least a half a second.

AB: Do you still have the negatives?

DR: Yes, absolutely!

AB: You do. Are you willing to have the negatives examined?

DR: Yes, I am.

AB: You are.

WS: Did you take any pictures of the creature and your dog?

DR: Well, my dog was no where to be found. My dog was gone.

AB: The dog literally, if I heard his description correctly, sort of... How did you put it, Robert?

RR: The dog collapsed into herself.

AB: Into herself.

WS: And then disappeared?

DR: And just disappeared into, what I found on the ground to be looking like some type of white ash.

WS: Did you get any of this?

DR: No, I didn't. Considering everything that had happened and what continued to happen, I'm surprised I was able to walk out of there.

AB: Yes, so am I.

WS: I am too, yes.

AB: The next thing I'm curious about, if I can ask, is the obelisk. You were there for a total of 3 hours, found or noticed the obelisk after about an hour, took photographs. What happened to this obelisk? Was it still there when you left the area or...

DR: Yes, in fact, when I walked up to it, it was making a humming sound and when I touched it, the sound stopped. And as I pulled my hand back, I noticed that it changed its tone slightly and it became less irritating, the sound. Almost a harmonic that felt like a much more pleasant sound.

WS: When you touched it, how did it feel?

DR: Like stone.

WS: Cold or warm?

DR: Cold like ice.

RR: It was like ice and it also, when it was slapped, when Jonathan slapped it, absorbed the sound completely.

AB: You slapped it?

DR: Well, I went to push on it and I slipped and I used my other arm to kind of stop myself on the edge of it. And as I hit it, it made no sound.

WS: Did it move when you hit it, at all?

DR: No! It was almost like it was anchored to the air.

AB: How far above the ground was it actually hovering?

DR: Approximately 36 inches, maybe 48 at the most. Now, the dimensions. I don't know if I mentioned them. That it was approximately 2 and a half feet high, about 4 feet, 4 and a half feet wide, and about 9 or 9 and a half feet long.

AB: That looks about right according to the adjacent foliage. I had had comments from people who were assuming this was a ship and they said, well it's too small. The other comments that I've had, Doctor, it's an extremely clear photograph and people have said, with respect to the craft and the photographs of the creature, how were you able to keep your senses under such extreme conditions to take such steady, clear, photographs? I mean, most photographs we get from people who have submitted of UFO's and/or creatures, people constantly complain they're distorted, they're blurry, they're foggy, they're indistinct and people in this case are complaining about exactly the opposite. Your pictures, they say, are too damn clear. How did you do that?

DR: Well, after spending a couple of hours, emotional, upset, and sick, I think I stabilized a little bit and quieted down and thought about the fact that I had my cameras and that no one would believe what happened to my dog.

AB: You had not only a 35 mm camera, which is understandable because you were on a hike, but you had some sort of video camera. What did you have with you? What kind of video?

DR: I had a regular 8 mm video camera, a few years old.

AB: Right, I have one too. They're small. They're handy.

WS: You took video of the object as well as photographs?

DR: I took video of the obelisk and of the extraterrestrial.

AB: And I have that video, Whitley.

DR: And if you look at the video, you can tell I wasn't perfectly calm.

WS: This is very important.

DR: I was VERY upset.

AB: Far from it, far from it Whitley.

DR: In fact, I do have the audio of that if you would like to hear some.

AB: I do. I'd like to hold it for after the top of the hour here.

DR: Ok.

AB: Whitley, you said the video's very important?

WS: It's very importent because if he has photographs with negatives and also video, then this object probably was physically there.

DR: It WAS physically there!

WS: Yeah, in other words, this is no trick, Art. If he has those. If those 3 elements all exist, then that's very, very (strong?) evidence.

AB: Well, I have 2 of them. I have the clear 35 mm photographs. I have the video as well.

RR: Art, in regard to the photograph, Jonathan did take many pictures and not all of them came out as well. You got some of the better pictures.

AB: I understand. You sent me the best of the lot. How many pictures in totally, Doctor, did you take?

DR: I probably took 20.

AB: Twenty photographs, all right, of which I have 6. Some did not come out or not come out well, I take it.

DR: Right, that was at the site. Like I said, there was a lot of problems with the darkness and the canopy was very heavy. I'm surprised that any of the video came out at all. In fact, if you listen to the audio, I am so distraught because through the viewfinder of the video camera, I could not see the obelisk half of the time.

AB: Actually, you kept saying, is this damn thing working? ...Is it working?

DR: Well, now that after realizing what happened, all I can assume is that the closer I was to the obelisk, the more distortion would happen with the video camera.

AB: You were in a clear panic, there's no question about that. The video, at times, is broken up. I would assume some sort of electromagnetic disturbance.

DR: The video was checked by an expert and it was found to be not tampered with.

AB: Ok, so in other words, whatever disturbance was there was externally caused.

DR: Yes. And the camera is working fine. It has been checked also.

WS: What does this look like, this disturbance?

AB: It looks, Whitley, like, you know, a tracking problem when you've got a severe tracking problem on a video tape that you're playing.

WS: Oh, sure, I know exactly what it is.

AB: Now, in a lot of cases, the Doctor was in a flat out panic and he was running at times and then at other times, it was pretty jerky. But there were several times where he got still enough for at least a few seconds to get good, clear shots of the obelisk and certainly many clear shots of the creature.

DR: The further away I was from the obelisk, the less problem there was with any kind of distortion.

AB: So it was generating something.

DR: Oh, we figured that out because by the time I walked back, probably 150 to 200 feet up on the top of the ridge, I could get a clear shot of it down in the valley.

AB: Robert, when were you told about all of this?

RR: That was about a year ago.

AB: Why, Doctor, did you go to Robert?

DR: Robert's name was given to me as a person that I could trust to help write this information. I'm not a writer and I needed some help to make this into a real, tangible, full start to finish, episode so that I could tell the story. It's time people know that we're not alone!

AB: I understand. I'm honored that you would choose my program and I would ask you why you did, why you choose to exclusively break all this here. Why?

DR: Honestly speaking, Mr Bell, a few years ago, I didn't know anything about you. And a friend of mine told me during this episode that you were someone who dealt with this sort of thing often.

AB: It is true.

DR: And could get the information out regardless of what it was and let the people decide for themselves. This is why I have come to you.

AB: Ok, well, that's a good answer because that is exactly what I do. All right, Hold on. My guests are Dr Jonathan Reed, who had the encounter, the documented encounter with an alien creature, and you've not yet heard the whole story by a long shot; Robert Raith to whom he went to try to chronicle this story, Whitley Streiber, himself, a longtime contactee and author of many, many books on the subject, and I'm Art Bell. What you're listening to is breaking news on Coast to Coast AM.