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of the transcription of an interview with Dr. Jonathon Reed by Art Bell on Nov 11, 1998.

AB: = Art Bell
RR: = Robert Raith
DR: = Doctor Jonathon Reed

AB: All right, here we are, Doctor, you have had a period of time with the obelisk. You have spent... The alien is dead. The dog is dissolved in some way. I'll use the word "dissolved," I don't know if that's proper. But gone. This obelisk remains hovering in the air, the one we have the clear photographs of. You have 2 hours now, with the obelisk and with the dead alien. What's happening in these 2 hours?

DR: Well, I'm trying to regain some type of composure, trying to make some sense out of this, trying to think what have I done? What will happen to me because I've killed something?

WS: Doctor, could you go back to the moment when you realized it wasn't a child and tell us what went through your mind at that moment.

DR: Fear! I realized that this wasn't what I thought I was looking at.

WS: Did you touch it at that point?

DR: Well, all I did was walk up to it. I was within 3 feet in front of it when I had knocked it down. And at that point, once I realized that this wasn't a mask. It wasn't human but it was human-looking. It was human in size. It was human in the dimensional shape.

WS: It seems on the pictures on Art's website as if it's wearing something.

AB: Yes, that was one I was going to get to. The head, the shots of the head of the alien were very clear and they moved down into what almost appeared to be some kind of black cloth or clothing. Can you...

DR: It was a black type of suit made of some type of material that nothing that I had ever seen, almost a tight fitting body wrap type of material. Almost like spandex.

WS: Was it a tailored suit or more like...

DR: It was tight fitting. All the way tight against its neck, torso, legs, feet. All one. All one piece, as far as I could see.

WS: Was anything wrong with its neck at the point that it was laying on the ground?

DR: Was anything wrong with its neck?

WS: Yeah!

DR: As in, broken?

WS: Well, yeah!

DR: Not that I could tell at that point. Later examination, it didn't appear to be broken.

WS: Because in one of the photographs, I think the first photograph that's on the website, it sort of appears that there's something wrong with the neck. It's hard to tell if it was broken or not. I just wanted to know.

DR: As far as I know, it wasn't...As to another examination that happened later.

AB: Now, let's get to that. The time passes. Finally, you somehow, I guess, collect your senses and decide what your course of action is going to be. What do you do Doctor? Do you walk away and as you walked away, or did you...?

DR: I started to walk away. I started to grab my pack and think that it was getting late and if I was going to get out of the woods before it was dark. I was sick. I didn't know if I was going to get sicker. I had injured my hand that felt like a burn.

WS: That was when you slapped the object?

DR: Yes.

RR: Jonathan also thought of burying the creature.

DR: Right, at that point, I thought, well, if maybe I should just bury this. Maybe I should just hide it.

WS: Were you concerned about things like the law or?

DR: Well, everything went through my mind, thinking about what have I done. Is it a crime? Is anybody going to believe this? Can I hide it from animals so that later I could come back and show someone? I didn't have a shovel. I didn't have any tools with me. I had a pocket knife. At that point, I made the decision that maybe I could cover it with the thermo blanket that I had and put rocks around it and possibly preserve it until I came back with some help.

AB: Makes sense, all right.

DR: At that point, I started looking for rocks. Every rock I found was buried so deep or connected to other rocks. There wasn't anything I could find to do it. I made a determination that if I rolled it up, if I actually pushed this being into the thermo blanket and rolled it around it, that maybe I could put branches against it or something else. Moving it, I found out that it was extremely light. It had very little weight to it. In fact, I rolled it up like a burrito in the blanket. And as I picked it up to carry it to find some place to put it in the area, I just started walking.

AB: So, in other words, it was actually light enough so that you could carry it reasonably.

DR: It was approximately 50 pounds.

RR: There was also a very strange time element involved. With contact with the obelisk originally, he had ripped his shirt. Something happened with the obelisk. Now, the hours that should have existed no longer existed. In other words, he was there. He knew he was there or felt he was there for at least 3 hours, but what ended up happening was that only a short period of time had gone by. And there was a time where it seemed he was actually somehow enveloped by the obelisk. Because when he finished with that episode, his shirt was no longer torn.

WS: We'll get to the shirt in just a second. That's fascinating! But let me ask you just for clarification, did 3 hours pass on your watch and some of that time you can't seem to account for, or did it seem like 3 hours but actually turn out to be a much shorter time on your watch?

DR: The watch I was wearing stopped.

WS: (Laughs) Naturally!

DR: And I don't know exactly what time...

AB: All right, then, if I understand this correctly, you had the alien wrapped in the thermal blanket that is, by the way the background for the photographs that we've got here, is that correct?

DR: Correct!

AB: All right, and you carried this creature away wrapped up, meanwhile in the background, the obelisk, this thing is still hovering in the air and that's the last you saw of the obelisk.

DR: That's correct!

AB: Have you since been back to that location?

DR: We went back. I took my best friend back the next day. And we went back to this location and there was not one thing out of place in this entire area.

AB: All right, you then hiked, you've got how many hours to get back to your vehicle?

DR: About an hour and a half.

AB: So you carried this creature for an hour and a half?

DR: Yes, stopping along the way.

AB: Stopping, ok.

DR: I was thinking about putting it somewhere, hiding it somewhere.

AB: But you kept going?

DR: I just kept going.

AB: All right. You got the creature into your car.

DR: I threw it into the back of my car.

AB: And drove where? Straight home?

DR: I drove home.

AB: Drove home. Now, when you got home, what did you do?

DR: Well, driving home gave me some sense of serenity, like I had come back to the real world. And home felt like comfort.

AB: Yeah, but with a bit of a souvenir.

DR: Right, and when I got home, I sat in my carport looking in the rearview mirror seeing the silhouette of my burrito in the back, thinking what am I going to do with it? You know, I'll bury it tomorrow. Maybe all this was a bad dream. And so after that, I went in the house for a while and I decided I can't just leave this in my car. I even thought about the fact if somebody broke into my car and found this, that would be a surprise. So I decided that I would put it in my garage in my freezer. As odd as that sounds, at that point, I felt it was a piece of meat and I needed to put it somewhere outside and I could lock the freezer.

AB: Preserve it. So you locked it in your freezer.

DR: Yes!

RR: Yeah, he really didn't want to bring it into his house.

AB: I understand, believe me. Looking at it here, I understand that completely. So how long did it spend in your freezer?

DR: Until the next morning when I decided to look again.

AB: Now, at what point did you bring the video camera out again and the camera and begin to take photographs of this creature. When did that happen?

DR: That was approximately 9 hours after the event and I had gotten it home.

AB: The video, Whitley, and I hope you don't mind, Doctor, my describing... The video shows the creature wrapped up, as you said, like a burrito and it actually starts being unwrapped. In other words, he starts unwrapping it. This is now at home and they go through a series of... Was that you in the video, Doctor?

DR: Yes.

AB: Ok. Opening the mouth; moving the face; moving the head back and forth; opening the eyelids. That sort of examination. It shows that in the video.

WS: Who was handling the video camera at that time?

DR: I was.

AB: So you must have had it on a tripod or something?

DR: Actually, I duct taped it to the side of a ladder and when I shot the section where I showed the wound, I put it on top of a box.

AB: On the top of a box. Yeah, that's right. It would be fairly close so it would... Yeah, that makes sense. So, here we are. You've now documented by video and by 35 mm photography the creature and what you call the obelisk, not necessarily, folks, the ship. That was OUR mistake, interpretation, calling it a ship. It's not necessarily a ship. It was something, an obelisk, something. So Doctor, who did you tell about this?

DR: Well, the first thing I did after I got home was try to regain a little composure and then I sat down and thought about calling my girlfriend, which I called but she wasn't home. And then I called my best friend and I had left a message with him. I said, call me immediately as soon as you get home. He called me later and I told him to come over. I had something. I needed to see him and I showed him.

AB: That must have been something, some experience for your friend.

DR: Yeah, to put it lightly. I was still quite sick at the time and I think it was traumatic from every standpoint.

RR: Gary was a bit more functional and Gary was the one that pretty much said this is an alien. It was something that Jonathan absolutely did not want in any way to think of. That's not where he wanted to go.

AB: Ok, now, we've got another witness, Gary, somebody named Gary. That's your best friend, right?

DR: Gary was my best friend for over 18 years.

AB: All right, are you still in contact with Gary?

DR: Gary has been missing for the last 2 years.

AB: Oh, my!

DR: If you're out there, Gary, you know how to get a hold of me.

AB: All right, do you suspect Gary's on the run, has met with foul play, what?

DR: I don't know. I do know that we went through an enormous amount of incidents after this.

WS: What sort of incidents?

DR: Incidents where we were trying to find out to do with this. We were trying to make some sense out of it. I had basically decided that I had killed something, that I could be very, very seriously in trouble. Gary kind of took the lead and said, "No, this is something else! This is something very important." And then I said, "Well, we need to go to the police." He said, "No, we don't! That's the first thing you DON'T want to do!" And then we went down that path of, "what do we do? who do we talk to?" We made several phone calls to some of the bigger organizations such as MUFON.

AB: You called MUFON?

DR: Yes.

WS: Which MUFON did you call?

DR: Peter Davenport in Seattle.

AB: You called Peter Davenport?

DR: Yes.

AB: And what response did you get from Peter?

DR: Well, when we were calling, at that point, we were calling fairly anonymously. We were saying, "What if we had this?", similar to the facts that we sent to you, Art. We were gingerly trying to test the waters of where to go.

AB: Yeah, what if we had a body?

DR: And some of the response that we got was very disturbing from the standpoint of people wanting to come and tear this thing apart and tear your lives apart. And do you have this? Do you have that?

AB: Well, let me ask you right now. Two questions: 1) Do you retain any physical evidence at all?

DR: Other than the photographic evidence?

AB: Yes.

DR: No.

AB: All right. How long did you retain custody of this alien body?

DR: 10 days.

AB: 10 days. On the tenth day, what happened?

DR: Well, I think there needs something to be said prior to that.

AB: All right.

RR: Go ahead Jonathan.

DR: We had brought this extraterrestrial home in the event to have something done with this. Something so that somebody could put some sense to all of this. I didn't want to kill it, but I did it out of fear. I did it out of frustration from what I had just witnessed and I felt terrible. I still do. I brought it home, saved it. I put it in the freezer. We went through the processes trying to find out what to do and who to go to, who to talk to, and no one would believe us. No one would believe the seriousness of this.

WS: You mean among your friends or...

DR: Among some of the professionals that I talked with.

WS: The UFO people?

DR: Yes, I talked to several people through the university. I talked to a professor that I know, known specifically as a friend. I tried to set up meetings with him. Things started to happen. He told me he would come and look. I then received a phone call several hours later and this was predetermined that he would come over and look at this. All of a sudden, his tone changed and he canceled the appointment. No reason. No reason given. This started to happen one after the other. Then, we realized there were people watching the house.

AB: Doctor Reed, at that point, hold on please. Oh, my! Doctor Jonathan Reed is the man you're listening to at the moment. Robert Raith is here and so is Whitley Streiber. I'm Art Bell.